The Call That Started it All

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Last week I got a call from producers at NBC asking if I was interested in appearing on the Dr Phil show. They said they were doing a show entitled "Extreme Parenting" and wanted to include Attachment Parenting.  Knowing all-too-much about the aftermath Breastfeeding Momma Jamie Grumet experienced following her recent TIME magazine cover story, I was a bit wary.  Well, after a 30 minute interview with assistant producers I was told I wasn't "AP enough" for what they were looking for and asked if I could refer them to families where: 


  • Moms had never left their kids alone with anyone else, not even Dad, EVER.
  • Parents whose marriages were in danger due to extended breastfeeding or the "family bed"
  • Parents who are committed to never saying no to their kids

You get the idea.
 

My response was a resounding "NO!"  And, at my husband's urging, I let the producer know that I couldn't refer them anyone like this because these are not healthy examples of AP! I informed her that, while I was sad not to participate in this amazing opportunity to bring Attachment Parenting to a national audience, it seemed they were more interested in sensationalism and shock value rather than educating the public about AP, and I simply could not support that.

It seemed my rant paid off, because a week later I got a call from Dr Phil's executive producer asking me if I'd come on the show as a Psychologist & Parenting Expert an help dispel the myths about AP. 

Yay!!!  I'd LOVE to do that... I was still wary about the possibility of their underlying intentions, but I agreed to go.


Look, The Way You Parent Your Kid Really Pisses me Off... So STOP It!

Yah, that about sums it up...  I was right to be wary. 

Upon arriving at Paramount Studios, I was ushered into a golf cart and wisked off to meet with Dr Phil's people.  Soon, I joined a group of five (yes, you read that FIVE) feisty women who were there to speak out against Attachment Parenting. 

Interestingly enough, when they found out I was the API Representative sent to.speak out in favor of AP they treated me like I had the plague. No joke, Mammas, one even got up and moved across the room!

The 6 of us spent just under an hour in various green rooms & waiting areas before we we ushered into the audience, and you'd better believe I took that opportunity to listen to their concerns & offer education where I could!

And, guess what!?!  The things that had these women outraged were the very same misconceptions that the shows producers were looking to highlight. In fact, I don't think any one of these women had seen, or heard of, a healthy example of AP at all. 

The spunky blond was a "mainstream mom" and a pre-school teacher. She emailed the show to complain about an "Attachment Mom" who insists her son not be "made to do anything he doesn't want to do" e.g. If he doesn't want to leave his desk to join the circle for story time, t accommodate that. And that was just one of the four stories she managed to spew at me before we were moved to another room.  No wonder this poor teacher is pissed! 

The tall, fashionable one was child psychologist. She was appalled by the AP parents who "force" their children to share beds with them, and very concerned that the AP philosophy fails to teach children about limits & boundaries.  

I have to admit, Mammas, none of these criticisms were new to me. A-N-D I have personally met parents who have done & said similar things, all the while calling themselves "AP"  But, guess what!  These extreme examples are no more an example of Attachment Parenting than the acts of Westboro Baptist Church are an example of the tenets of the Baptist Faith.  Unfortunately , Dr. Phil wasn't interested in hearing this.

Reality TV - Where Rationality is Outlawed and Sensationalism Sells

So, the show finally starts, and thankfully, I'm joined by AP's heir apparent (and my knight in shiny white lab coat) Dr Jim Sears.  The Six Angry Mom's were joined by their own defender - The ever-cranky editor-with-an-ax-to-grind: Hara Estroff Marano. For an added degree of difficulty, the original guest - TIME Magazine cover Mommy Jamie Grumet, backed out at the last minute and the producers filled her spot with a sweet but extreme example of permissive parenting in AP clothing. 

think Dr. Sears and I did a great job bringing a hint of reality and rationalism to the Dr. Phil - fueled anti-AP barrage that flowed freely on that stage...  Just like we do with our kids, we addressed each (outlandish) concern with respect & empathy. Stressing that AP is MUCH more than just breastfeeding, bed sharing, and babywearing. A fact that Dr Phil kept failing to integrate into his definition!  And that the tenets of AP include discipline, we just prefer a more positive, respectful approach to this task. 


I also tried to drive home that AP is not a check list or a set of rules, but rather a  set of tools & guidelines meant to help individuals parent from their hearts, as their instincts dictate. And that it is based in connection, respect & empathy, not permissiveness and entitlement.  Time after time we were cut short and scoffed off by the Texan-in-Command in favor of witty one liners and extreme examples that gave him an opportunity to show boat his repertoire of "Am I Right?!?!" faces. 

If you catch the show, watch for the African American mom with fabulous hair who thinks breastfeeding a toddler is "disgusting" because, and I quote "they got a full set of teeth!" I watched her practice that line (and the crowd-pleasing gestures & facial expression that accompanied it) in front of a mirror in the green room for several minutes. Perhaps I should have taken notes on how to get a daytime talk show to pay attention to her message!
 
After what seemed like an excruciatingly long 2 hours, we were ushered  out of the studio & back to the green room. Dr Sears quipped that, while everything I said was wonderful, I shouldn't be surprised if most of it ended up on the cutting room floor. Maybe I should have worked on my 'I'm so outraged at your blatant stupidity' faces... I'm sure they'd  have warranted some airtime!   
B-U-T, all was not lost, Mommas! Two of the Six Angry Moms approached me after the show and told me that I had opened their eyes (err, minds) about Attachment Parenting and that the AP I described not only seemed a drastic departure from what they had previously envisioned, it actually seemed powerful and something they could support.

The Parenting Expert Formerly Against AP even took my information and suggested we keep in touch!

So, Dr Phil may not be ready to stop parading sensationalism and mis-information across the airways, favoring ratings over educating the public about how to release the old adage that kids are noble savages that need to be shaped & controlled lest they run a muck in favor of  parenting from the heart... 
But least two strong opponents of AP left that studio better informed. 
I can only hope other impassioned parents  in the audience did the same, because I fear Dr Sears is correct - most of the important, balanced information we offered about AP will end up edited out of the final show! 

I guess common sense just doesn't pull ratings! 

 


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09/13/2012 5:09pm

Thanks for fighting the good fight, with grace.

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09/14/2012 8:25am

Thank you! I have to admit, by the second hour of taping I was no longer waiting for a cue to respond and, instead, was interjecting my "opinions" where I saw fit... Especially when Dr Phil oh-so-dramatically pointed out that the number of infants who died due to "smothering" in a parents bed has tripled over the last 20 years.

First - API does not encourage bed-sharing, but we know people do it (myself included :) so we teach them how to do it IN THE SAFEST WAY POSSIBLE.

And while Dr Phil's statistic was true (actually they've almost quadrupled) but the majority of these deaths were under circumstances that DIRECTLY DEFY safe bed-sharing guidelines

(http://safebedsharing.org/safetyguidelines.html)

A-N-D... The number of "smothering" deaths is still 50% lower than the number or babies that die from SIDS each year (which co-sleeping & bed-sharing have been showed to dramatically decrease)

I'm fairly certain he will cut mu interrupted rant out of the show though, because he didn't respond to it in any way. And we all know Dr Phil was not about to let someone else get the last word in!

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Korenna
09/15/2012 5:07am

Ooooops! That was supposed to be 50 TIMES lower than SIDS deaths, not 50%.

I guess it's easier to misrepresent data than I thought.

I really want to appreciate you for not answering in the interview and for not supporting them. Yes you are right they are seemed to be emphasizing more on the ensationalism and shock value rather than educating the public about AP.

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09/13/2012 8:24pm

Thanks to Korenna for modeling Attachment Parenting practices so well with children in grown up clothing.

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09/14/2012 8:27am

:)

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Missy
09/13/2012 10:18pm

Oh dear. I'm not an AP parent but I'm still scared to watch. Remember when Dr. Phil used to be on Oprah and he was just a voice of reason among the daytime buffoons? What a shame he has sold out to the ratings god.

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09/14/2012 8:32am

I haven't watched daytime talk shows in YEARS, so I was actually surprised that his format seemed to be "here are some average, everyday people with views/practices I think you'll find controversial... Let's get some animated audience reactions to this"

Perhaps I was naive, but I was actually expecting to participate in an educational program dispelling the myths about AP.

In reality, the "invited experts" got the LEAST amount of airtime during taping. And never ONCE did Dr Phil ask us important questions like: "What are the tenets of Attachment Parenting" or "Does baby wearing stunt children's physical development as Hara Marano has suggested?"

Grrrr. Can you tell I'm still fired up about it!?!

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06/12/2013 1:26pm

I am the sweet but 'permissive' mom who was on stage. I COMPLETELY agree with you on where you stand with the show. I too hoped it would be informative and educational. Information regarding my degrees in psychology, was edited out. Also, I need to be clear. I. Am. Not. Permissive. In the home interview I said that I don't say no to give myself pause to address why it is a 'no'. I am the type to be inclined to say no 100 times a day absentmindedly, but by avoiding the word, I can remind myself to explain. It is NOT that I don't say no.

That show edited my home interview so badly, it made my quite mundane, everyday ordinary look 'controversial'. It makes me kind of mad, but then again, I knew it was more for entertainment than education. They didnt even show the footage of my son's bedroom and how we gently moved him from the family bed to his own.

My kids get babysat as often as we can afford it, both of my kids regularly hear the word no (with explanation), and my marriage is healthy and strong.

Brandi
09/14/2012 12:32am

Thank you Korenna for doing such a great job of bringing a balanced perspective to the show. Even if it only changed 3 people's minds on the show about AP parenting (which I suspect it was probably more), it is still 3 people who matter and more children whose lives may be changed by it. Dr. Sears is a true pioneer and it must have been so great to be co-starring with him! It really is too bad about Dr. Phil. :(

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12/26/2012 3:35am

I must say you have done a great job,hope even others can give the answers in the way you have answered to the producer of NBC>

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09/14/2012 8:34am

Thanks Brandi! And thank YOU for being a shining, loving example of how applying AP principles in your life helps raise loving, empathic, and secure children :)

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09/14/2012 12:14pm

Interestingly enough, back when I was teaching preschool, part of becoming NAEYC-accredited and following developmentally appropriate practice WAS having alternative activities for children. For example, if a child didn't want to participate in circle time (and let's face it, for an introverted child or a kid with sensory issues, being forced to participate in a circle full of loud singing and adult-directed chanting on a daily basis could be pretty awful) we would have a table with crayons and paper or a quiet corner where the child should go. That's not permissive; it's good teaching. I'm not saying the mother might not have had issues, but good preschool teachers provide alternate activities and do not force children to participate.

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09/15/2012 2:33am

Thanks for the info, Annette! After all the horror stories I hear, it's great to know there are pre-school teachers who operate with such care & sensitivity :)

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09/14/2012 12:22pm

Oh Korenna, I had no idea you were going to be on! They didn't tell me the name of the show or the other guests when I (reluctantly) agreed to do it last minute on the way home from Ethiopia. I didn't back out though, two days before I got a really bad fever and found out I contracted malaria. They knew in advance I wasn't coming, they should have mentioned it to you and Jim prior. That wasn't cool. I am so sorry you had such a really lousy experience. We are supporting you! I shared this link with a bunch of people. The truth needs to get out.

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09/15/2012 2:55am

Thanks Jamie. Yes, contracting Malaria & deciding to back out are a bit different :) I hope you are recovering well!

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09/16/2012 8:44pm

Thank you, This was the first day I didn't have a weird headache the entire day. It has been really upsetting to think how easily this has been treated here in the states and it is killing people daily in other countries with no access to treatment.

Anyway, I am so sorry I wasn't there to support you. Honestly, after reading about your experience I think it may have been worse if ended up attending. Taped TV I've discovered is easily manipulated and after hearing who they brought on from the other side and why they selected them, it looks like they were more about controversy, rather than giving balanced POVs to both sides. Just my presence there may have added to the sensationalism of AP and I may have made it worse for you both.

Oprah said she came to the conclusion at some point in her talk show career that she wanted each show to be a lesson. I think they did a good job of keeping interest and showing controversy. However, I think with this kind of topic she would have perhaps given both sides in a balanced way, and the lesson would more of a greater understanding for each other. For instance, it may end with the thought that we are all trying to do our very best for our families and children, so let's all educate ourselves and make choices based on what is right for each family. And AP is definitely a valid and healthy choice. It's too bad she doesn't still have a show!

It's also too bad Dr. Phil started out with her and ended up going off on his own... turning into something so different than what he projected originally.

Really though, almost every media outlet wants to exploit where they can for views. That is a huge lesson I've learned. I don't mind putting myself out there if it is going to be portrayed properly, but even with extreme caution the producers and show are always having the upper-hand. They own the information and they can manipulate it any way they like. Did you see this post? http://dailymomtra.com/2012/09/14/the-problem-with-mainstream-media-and-breastfeeding/
It goes beyond breastfeeding to really any issue. They will choose the route that will give them higher ratings. I think she ended that post so well by saying we need to figure out how to do this. Media is a great way to spread a message because it reaches so many people. It also is extremely dangerous. I don't think we should stop speaking out, but I've got to wonder if there is a better way to go about it.

Sorry, I've written you a novel on here. Feel free to write me privately. I'd love to speak with you.


09/14/2012 12:27pm

Thanks for calling me fashionable. But please, check your facts. I never said anything about bed sharing or forcing anything. And just to be clear, I am still just as against extreme attachment parenting as I was before. It's interesting what comes out in the online environment because the woman I met on the show certainly wasn't the person here. Your memory of this show is very different than what occurred. And to be clear, I am also a clinical psychologist with a doctorate. Far from an enraged mom. Funny, you gave me your info. Not the other way around. I accepted because it would have been rude not to.

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Heather
09/14/2012 9:05pm

Wow, "Mommy Psychologist" I can finally leave my post to your blog somewhere where you can't delete it since I guess you just can’t take any type of criticism or back up any of your “expert” advice by responding to me

I’m pretty sure that you aren’t an “expert” at anything other than spewing your own opinion. AP does not leave dads out of anything and if you actually read anything that Dr. Sears wrote you would know that. Also where is all your so-called “hard science that the research in developmental psychology shows about the potential risks this form of extreme parenting has on subsequent development.”? Because it’s not in your blog post only your opinion about AP is. So pretty much I think you are full of crap and a very mean spirited person to want to attack Jamie on the Dr. Phil show for her parenting decisions. Oh and by the way Jamie didn’t make it to the Dr. Phil show because she contracted had malaria while in Ethiopia working on a project to house AIDS orphans. What is it that you do to make the world a better place?

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09/15/2012 2:49am

Wow, Heather! I'm sorry you feel slighted.

There were a lot of opponents of AP in that room Wednesday, and I wouldn't be surprised if I mis-attributed a grievance here and there. There was no malice in it. I honestly did believe you responded to the bedsharing segment with statements regarding how the child is not free to choose it & it is akin to abuse. Perhaps it was someone near you. I guess we will see who it really was when the show airs (if it makes it stays in). To be clear - I specifically did not refer to your credentials or refer to you by name you in case I was mistaken!

I'm not sure what "Extreme Attachment Parenting" is but, as I said in this post, some of the topics discussed on the show were mis- attributed to AP and I agree with you... They are problematic.

Thank you for considering my feelings, I honestly thought you were interested in collaborating, sharing resources, referrals, etc in the future. I'm sorry to hear that is not the case.

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03/28/2013 11:01pm

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